ISP Query

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Author: cheddar79 PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 1:20 am    Post subject: ISP Query
okay bear with me cos i'm not a techie as such! lol! i work from home in the adult industry and assist with photos (not me! lol!) being sent to mobile phones from the pc and vice versa. It is unlikely that such a thing should happen but someone pointed out a dilemma.

What if some weirdo decided to send in a photo which i can see when logged into the system that was illegal? If my ISP saw that could they do something about it? I mean it is part of my job and it hasn't been requested by me but it was something brought up by a friend.

Also I know that files are stored on my pc, i do clear out my temp internet files, cookies etc and have a cache cleaner program, am i doing enough to get any 'content' that has come onto my pc, off?

Author: molshoop PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 2:58 pm    Post subject: depends on the country

This depends of the country you live and if the law prohibits is.
You should ask a lawer or something Wink

Just clearing your cookies isn't enough because you need to special programs to really whipe the data on your harddisk.This aint an option because those programs whipe all data on your disk.

Maybe hosting the server in Russia or something will be an option Wink

Author: HikuseRyusanLocation: Home PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 3:45 pm    Post subject: Re: depends on the country
molshoop wrote:

Maybe hosting the server in Russia or something will be an option Wink

No it isn't, he still downloads the files onto his PC to view.

Author: cheddar79 PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 7:27 pm    Post subject:
Hiya thanks for the replies, I have it all sorted out now after speaking to one of the owners of the companies i work for, they already have things in place for this kind of stuff.

Btw I'm she not a he. Wink

Author: Ex0dusLocation: Down Under PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:52 am    Post subject:
at least in australia, ISPs dont tend to act as the police for the internet. in that they won't really monitor what your looking at and what your transferring data wise. might be the same where you are. however if the authorities do have a warrant, they have the ability and will look at what you've been up to.

might not apply in your country so don't take my word for it.

Author: davesecurity PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 9:19 pm    Post subject: Try using Internet Trace Remover
Hello You can try any internet trace remover

Or you can use Zone Lab Firewall which will not allow any other user whether your ISP to access your computer remotely.

david Wink

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Author: Dan.MLocation: Jacksonville, FL USA PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 10:15 pm    Post subject:
First of all let me state that I am not a lawyer =)

Secondly, what you speak of has less to do with the technical measures at your disposal and more to do with the law and intent.

The law in the U.S. is very clear: Unless you're a law enforcement officer (or agent thereof working under the direction of a law enforcement officer/agency) you are not allowed to view or possess certain images in any way, shape, or form. So technically if you're using google's image search and some child porn pops up, you just broke the law since the images were downloaded by you and stored temporarily in your browser's cache.

Google would have protection under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) since they have common carrier status (or the equivalent since they're an ISP of a sort). You would not have any protection whatsoever so the best way to mitigate risk in this regards is to clarify your intent somehow whenever you're working. If your job is to view images that other people post, I seriously doubt that you'd come under fire for having child porn (or something similar) in your browser's cache (if it was correlated to your job's servers). Not only that, but it would be very odd indeed if you became the target of such an investigation since you'd have this great excuse even if you *were* a pedophile or a nepiophile (though proving that a picture of a naked baby is child porn could be quite difficult =).

Big note: If you're worried about having a picture of someone doing something illegal, that in itself is not illegal. That would be their problem, not yours (potential blackmail on your part). However, I would definitely let your employer know if you have an obligation to do so (is your function to report on the images you view?). The only place you get in trouble for mere possession (that I know of) is child porn which has some of the most ridiculous and poorly-implemented laws on the books.

IMHO, it is far too easy to secretly plant child porn on someone's PC without their knowledge. Every time I see a child porn possession case in the news I can't help but immediately give the accused the benefit of the doubt (if it involves computers). Knowing what I know, I could never believe "beyond a reasonable doubt" that someone intentionally downloaded child porn of their own volition. You'd have to show me evidence of them being present at the PC in question on several occasions, video of them doing the actual downloading, and demonstrate to me that their PC is absolutely 100% free of malware of any kind. Even then I'd be lenient because A) I'd always have doubts because computers can be tampered with so easily and B) they didn't create the child porn--they just viewed it.

I've thought about this extensively and let me tell you: Even if you're a security expert using 100% up-to-date software and have your PC hardened up the wazoo you can still have child porn wind up on your system without your knowledge. All it would take is to visit the wrong website. For instance, simply browsing a forum that allows people to post images could have child porn pics hidden in 1-pixel high IMG tags. Or if the attacker is very sophisticated they could use something like to take over your browser's sessions to plant things in some of your accounts online (with obvious or hidden child porn). I can think of dozens more ways of the top of my head. I could think of hundreds if not thousands if I had enough time and devoted enough mental resources to it.

The real problem here is the law: By making possession of anything digital illegal you're opening up the citizenry to blackmail and oppression. I'd argue that outlawing the mere possession of anything is pretty stupid for the same reasons... How hard is it to plant drugs in someone's locker and then notify the police? How hard would it be to plant physical pictures of child porn in someone's desk at work? What about someone's backpack or their car? We need to fix these laws.

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